There are plenty of companies led by homophobes and giving donations to shitty politicians. But the fact that they’re the only chain company in our modern mostly-secular civilization that closes its doors on Sunday makes it into a religious…
Hobby Lobby’s founder and CEO is a well known Christian. The stores not only are closed on Sundays, but offer a large selection of Christian related crafts and part of the music all stores get are instrumental versions of Christian hymn mixed in with more contemporary music.
The difference with Chic-Fil-a is that their powers that be make it clear they are christian and they chose to support anti-gay marriage politicians and laws using their company as their primary tool to promote these beliefs. Hobby Lobby doesn’t do that and generally stays away from politics as a company.
A chain store is no different than a mom and pop shop who choses to close their doors on their Sabbath days (Friday, Saturday or Sunday, depending on the religion and denomination). You wouldn’t accuse them of “forcing their religion” on their consumers would you? Businesses are not obligated to be open 24/7/365 and can chose to closed their doors when they see fit.
I disagree that they are no different, I think that for a corporation as large as Chick-fil-a for something as basic as fast food (lol hobby lobby) it’s weird that you’re closed on Sundays for “moral reasons.” It casts you in a weird light.
There are plenty of companies led by homophobes and giving donations to shitty politicians. But the fact that they’re the only chain company in our modern mostly-secular civilization that closes its doors on Sunday makes it into a…
*tosses my own two cents in*
It’s actually kind of funny when you say that. I agree that Chik-Fil-A should be open on Sunday, but NOT because that implies it would force their religion on anyone. However, I also agree with Curi that it’s important to take days off to spend time with their family. What you both fail to see that MOST restaurants are more likely to have better business on the weekends; especially Sunday. Because! DRUM ROLL! Most people are off on Sundays! This is one of the biggest beef I’ve had with Chik-Fil-A because their chickens are just so damn delicious, but from what I remember, I rarely get the chance to eat there because they’re always closed on Sundays. :c
So, it is generous of them to give their employees time off on Sundays, but at the same time, they could’ve made so much more money. Honestly, some employees REALLY DON’T MIND working Sundays; usually students because they would have school during the week!
This probably could’ve been worded better, but I’m multitasking at the moment and my thoughts are rather scattered. lD; But I hope my point still got across. l3;
Yeah your point gets across, I’m sure there are plenty of people that would much rather be able to work Sunday or might even NEED to work on Sunday.
I can't help but feel that all this Chick-Fil-A drama wouldn't be as big of a deal if they would make a single change...
If they opened their damn asses on Sundays.
There are plenty of companies led by homophobes and giving donations to shitty politicians. But the fact that they’re the only chain company in our modern mostly-secular civilization that closes its doors on Sunday makes it into a religious organization.
Guess what? We, as consumers, don’t give a fuck about your religion. We just want a damn chicken sandwich and when you tell us we can’t have one on Sundays you’re forcing your religion on us. The fact that you’re proudly homophobic is just icing on that cake of bullshit.
Maybe your god is trying to tell you something… JUSSAYIN’
Remember that awful tweet about the news when someone Obama visited died, that said something along the lines of, “Looks like Obama has one less vote this election?”
Can we (and by we, I mean people that identify themselves as liberal/progressive) please show a bit more class? It’s one thing to attack the company for being so very, very wrong, and another thing to poke fun at someone’s death.
Come on, guys. We’re better than this.
Oh chill the fuck out. I’m not reveling in this man’s unremarkable death, I just think its a funny coincidence. Because it is a coincidence, because god doesn’t exist.
As we discussed last week, at this point in the race, Republicans aren’t just occasionally taking Obama quotes out of context; they’re actually building their entire 2012 campaign strategy around sentiments the president didn’t actually say. I’ve honestly never seen anything like it.
2. When the president told business leaders that U.S. policymakers have been “a little bit lazy” when it comes to attracting businesses to American soil, Republicans took that out of context and launched a series of attacks.
3. When Obama said private-sector job growth is “fine” relative to the public sector, Republicans took that out of context, too.
And 5. Obama said Clinton’s tax policies were better than Bush’s, which the RNC is taking out of context.
Remember, in theory, none of this should be necessary. If the president were the radical leftist his attackers make him out to be, Republicans wouldn’t have to resort to cheap garbage like this. They’d be able to use real Obama quotes and real Obama policies.
Instead, we’re left with ridiculous tactics that treat voters like idiots.
Yeah, pretty sure we’re spending tons of time railing against exploitative companies.
Why do conservatives think we are only capable of being upset at one thing? Yeah you’ll hear about certain ones more apparently when there’s a story in the news but we don’t stop caring about other injustices.
“I was in Salt Lake City for three straight years. I don’t recall even coming back once to go to a Bain or management meeting. We were, I was out there running the Olympics and it was a full time job, I can tell you that”—
Multiple associates have confirmed that he came back to the office a number of times (honestly, why wouldn’t he?) and thus can very reasonably be implicated in the outsourcing that took place between 99 and 2002.
“You know, to arm everybody and have the Wild West all the time is one of the more nonsensical things you can say […] The bottom line is if we had fewer guns, we would have a lot fewer murders.”—Mayor Michael Bloomberg (via think-progress)
That CNN continues to carry a show like "Fareed Zakaria GPS," which offers thoughtful, non-shouty analysis of news events, speaks to CNN's commitment to journalism, relative to the other cable news networks. We need more Fareed.
It’s like for an hour they get to pretend they’re NPR.
The Jim Henson Company has celebrated and embraced diversity and inclusiveness for over fifty years and we have notified Chick-Fil-A that we do not wish to partner with them on any future endeavors. Lisa Henson, our CEO is personally a strong supporter of gay marriage and has directed us to donate the payment we received from Chick-Fil-A to GLAAD. (http://www.glaad.org/)
I mean that’s great but it’s not really clear what their connection with Chick-fil-a was? What payment were they receiving?
If it’s this easy I too would like to announce that I am no longer partnered with Chick-fil-a.
Some of the first investors in Mitt Romney’s firm Bain Capital, according to a report on the Los Angeles Times, were Salvadoran families living in Miami with members accused by the US government of funding death squads in the brutal civil war in El Salvador.
When Bain Capital was founded in 1984, Romney and his partners had trouble raising funds for their initial investments. “$9 million came from rich Latin Americans,” the Timesreports, “including powerful Salvadoran families living in Miami.… At the time, U.S. officials were publicly accusing some exiles in Miami of funding right-wing death squads in El Salvador. Some family members of the first Bain Capital investors were later linked to groups responsible for killings.”
Romney himself made a trip to Miami in 1984 to raise money for Bain from the Salvadorans. “The group included some of El Salvador’s wealthiest people,” the Times reports, including coffee exporters Francisco R.R. de Sola and his cousin Herbert Arturo de Sola.
The Salvadorans hid their investment in Bain by working through shell companies set up in Panama, “then known for tax advantages and unusual banking secrecy.” The Times quoted Steven H. Hagen, a Miami lawyer who provides tax advice to offshore companies and international investors, describing Panama in the 1980s as “the country of choice for foreigners wanting to make investments on a confidential basis.”
“No I won’t release my tax returns or do anything for the sake of transparency. But hey, how about a maliciously parsed quote that makes Obama look like he hates small business?”—Mitt Romney moving the national conversation away from things that might embarrass him.
Despite the fact that I made a few posts about it on Thursday and didn’t bring it up again, over the weekend my Askbox was overloaded with dudes telling me why I’m wrong and asking why I’m on a witch hunt against a hard-working comedian and why do I hate humor and what about FREEDOM OF SPEECH? and all that bullshit. SO HERE WE ARE AGAIN.
I heard two apologies yesterday - one related to the Tosh thing, and one not. They were both from comedians. The first was Louis CK’s interview on The Daily Show.
When I reblogged the post about comedians defending Tosh, people said “well Louis CK was joking because he doesn’t watch the show, it was sarcastic.” If you saw TDS last night, you saw that Louis CK had actually watched Tosh.0 and was legitimately saying he found it funny — BUT, he wasn’t aware of the rape joke controversy. It was just bad timing. Which, fine. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that he was on vacation and hadn’t been on the Internet. Well, except to tweet, I guess, and do nothing else. Whatever.
Then he says “comedians and feminists are natural enemies,” which, haha, I get it, humorless feminazis! We don’t like the way the current industry of stand-up comedy prioritizes the voices of straight cis white men over everyone else and defends anything they say as “their art” and the way they characterize us as humorless when we just have a sense of humor that doesn’t involve denigrating women. So I guess we’re enemies, then.
Then he says, “Stereotypically speaking, feminists can’t take a joke.” Seriously? You’re even admitting it’s a stereotype, and you’re saying it anyways - to huge applause! It’s actually worse than starting a sentence with “no offense, but…” or “not to be sexist, but…” It’s just getting up there and admitting you’re regurgitating something that probably isn’t statistically true. I thought stand-up comedy was about finding new and humorous ways of looking at things as opposed to repeating tired stereotypes, but hey, what do I know. I’m just a feminist.
He says he did some research and read a lot of interesting material about rape culture and how the constant threat of rape polices women’s lives. And then he’s like “So now I know about that, and I didn’t before. But I can still appreciate a good rape joke.” And then - AND THEN - he says, “women, we heard you, now shut the fuck up about it.”
So in other words: Louis CK got pulled into the rape joke controversy, and did some research on it and discovered that some people have legitimate reasons for not enjoying rape jokes. You know, apart from the fact that we HATE LAUGHTER AND FUN. Great. But he says that any joke about a bad thing (he specifies rape) is still funny to him. So this, I guess I’m calling it an apology, but it wasn’t. He falls into the “well both sides are kind of wrong, so no one should change, and I still defend my right to make jokes that hurt people” thing.
MST3K’s Bill Corbett got some heat on Twitter recently too. His son bought a Transformer toy and named it Tranny. Bill tweeted, “I’d MUCH rather have my son playing with a Tranny-the-Transvestite doll than anything associated with Michael Bay.” Some people were like, “Uh, that’s offensive” and his response was that humor sometimes offends people and everyone should get over it. Sound familiar?
Let me admit it upfront: I had no idea. I thought the term was a shorthand for more accepted terms — maybe not the most reverent, but certainly not all that offensive. I assumed it became offensive only in context, when used with malicious and even violent intent — when clearly meant to hurt and belittle. In those two tweets above, the first seemed like an amusing bit of reportage of what my kid actually said. In my mind, the second one was mostly a slam on Michael Bay. But the more I look at the second one, the more I see how it’s not that simple.
I also did a lot of research, not only about the nomenclature but about the science (my old friend!) of it all, and about the appalling level of violence against trans people. I understand a LOT more than I did a week ago. Still a relative noob, but much, much more informed than a few days back.
I won’t use the word again.
It can be challenging for people in comedy and art to find better ways to do what we do, and avoid hurting people who don’t deserve to be hurt. But that’s my problem to solve, not anyone else’s.
I want to make people laugh, and occasionally think, and maybe — wow! — both at once. I want to have fun doing it. It may always mean being irreverent, skeptical, absurd, even indulging quite a bit of cynicism and sarcasm. But I never want to depend on continually kicking people who are already down to do what I do. I’d rather find another line of work entirely. (Bowling alley attendant comes to mind, since that might have been my last honest job before getting all artsy-fartsy and comedyish.)
I want to stand on the side of humanity. I want to be humane, even when being a goddamned wise-ass. There’s no tried and true path through this, but it’s really worth trying to find it. I want to make people laugh, not feel shitty about life. ”Leave the world a better place than you found it.” A twisty task for someone in comedy, but others have shown that its not impossible.
In both cases, a comedian did something wrong. They made light of a subject that is very hurtful and personal to people. They joked about a topic that isn’t taken seriously by the police or the court system or most of society.* In Louis CK’s case, he educated himself, but learned nothing. In Bill Corbett’s case, he educated himself, learned something, and shared it with everyone else.
(*This is why I’m not even bothering with all the “Well what else can’t we joke about? What about war and murder and serial killers???” Asks in my inbox. Those things are taken seriously by everyone involved. You don’t hear police saying “well, the victim SAYS they were stabbed 37 times by this person, but that knife could have been shoved into them by anyone! They were drinking that night! They were out after dark alone!” People openly DOUBT and attempt to erase the experience of rape survivors and trans* people. There is a god damn difference.)
So now we know that comedians CAN learn and change. If they want to. Louis CK and every other rape joke apologist can learn, but doesn’t want to change, because it might force them to think about what they say every once in a while, and if there’s one thing people hate, it’s introspection and self-evaluation.
In the mean time: support Bill Corbett and Rifftrax by buying some of their stuff. If you haven’t watched Twilight with the Rifftrax, your life has no meaning. Support comedy that’s funny without being tasteless and purposefully offensive. Support NON-LAZY comedy, where they’re actually thinking of jokes instead of repeating stereotypes. And for fuck’s sake, stop defending rape jokes.
I hope it’s not too obvious to note this. But there’s another aspect of the Bain storm that is critical to recognize. Mitt Romney has had a disastrous few days. Maybe it will go on for another day or another week. But at some not too distant point in the future we’ll be on to something else. And yet both campaigns get that this skirmish is a battle for one of the biggest prizes of the whole campaign.
The Obama campaign is hitting this so hard to take a series of associations and embed them so deeply into voters’ consciousness that they become inseparable from the mention of the phrase ‘Bain Capital’. Those are ‘joke’, ‘liar’, ‘felon’, ‘retroactively retired’, ‘SEC filings’, ‘Caymans’, ‘whiner’, ‘buck stops here’, ‘hiding something’.
Much of it came from a company that is in charge of making other companies profitable no matter what, up to and including dissolving the company or outsourcing the employees. Which is legal but dishonest.
His official filings put him in charge of that company through 2002, most of the outsourcing happened between 99 and 2002. While I’m sure he was very busy with the Olympics it is ridiculous to think that he had no involvement with a company that he was still the acting head of or if that would absolve him from the outsourcing.
He paid very little in taxes by utilizing tax havens and secret bank accounts. Which is legal but dishonest.
We ended up in this economic shithole not from a lot of active crimes (there were some to be sure) but from guys like Romney who don’t break the rules, they just bend them, they just finagle and game the system.